manybothans:

virulentflowers:

Unless you’re hating on cis men for being transphobic douchebags, how is this relevant? It just seems like folks (to be real, mostly cis women and FAAB folks) just wanna conjure up this idea of “cis” when it’s not even relevant. Given that it’s often used to call out people for misogynistic bullshit, the intention seems to be to say that it’s only cis men who are misogynists. Trans male misogyny is obscured or erased by this.

It’s telling that these politics are pushed by predominantly cis women. This selective misandry (and I would argue, misandrist politics in general), put a burden on MAAB folks of all genders and reproduce essentialist nonsense under a different guise. It is still MAAB people who must prove themselves to be appropriately “not-men,” while these politics give trans men a free ride. “Women and trans” or “no cis-men” spaces implicitly require MAAB people to prove their authenticity as “not-men” while all FAAB people are unquestionably included in those spaces. This is why “woman and trans” usually means “a bunch of cis women, a few FAAB trans/genderqueer folks, and maybe a trans women or two sometimes.” I don’t believe that this is the intention of many of the proponents of these spaces (I’ve personally been treated well in them), but instead something that operates invisibly.

But I’ve got the kind of genitals misandrists love to talk about cutting off and I’m not really down with the party or the Proper Historical Materialist Analysis so I can’t really be trusted.

truth.

important for me to read

i’m friends with some dudes on facebook just to remind me how far i’ve come

strugglingtobeheard:

seraseatscissers:

blackenedbutterfly:

limpwristpointedfist:

other folks (bad-dominicana is one example) have been posting a lot about it too- about the privilege white misandrists hold and ignore

like, obviously it’s a privilege to be able to talk about cutting people up, or like that one girl, hit some random person in the street for saying a rape joke- as others pointed out, it’s a bit rich to have the queer/feminist ~community~ celebrate that when you consider what cece mcdonald is going through. womyn and non-binary people of color do not have the same space to like plot the violent demise of men. it’s dangerous to even type that shit on your blog for so many people.

and then there’s the fact that they don’t specify that it’s white men who are really to blame for all of the sexism men of color perpetuate because of how whiteness informs the ways they are allowed to be men/allowed to be valid humans. isn’t it the definition of privilege to not even think about all of the men of color when white feminists talk about hating men and wishing them dead. clearly, white people have been pretty successful in killing men of color (or otherwise control their bodies- prisons, military, etc). and that’s just in the states, i’m not getting into colonialism and global domination of people of color. also like in this white feminist utopia where men no longer exist… there’d still be white supremacy. the white womyn would be done with that whole “liberation” thing (cough white gay men) and leave poc in the dust. i seriously doubt patriarchy would be able to withstand the downfall of white supremacy for long. idk i’m just regurgitating the ideas of others wiser and more articulate than i, but i have always been wary of the way that white people get to be so vocal and open about hating men. it’s totally real for privileged people to take on a more “inflammatory” role or whatever, as long as they constantly center the conversation back on those who they hold power over. as long as white people acknowledge their privilege in even being able to say this shit, let alone act on it. that’s what allyship looks like, and it’s clearly not happening. 

tl;dr- who are white misandrists helping but other white people?

Some points I’ve been thinking about too:

MOC adapt to Western patriarchy and male privilege because you have to in order to survive and not starve and die

when MOC act like WM, WW get to go KILL ALL MEN and subtly continue the imperialistic mass murder of POC since 1542

this is a really good point. like for all the talk about how unfair CeCe’s treatment has been, I haven’t seen any white people talk about the fact that the guy she killed had it coming and no white people have come forward to applaud her for doing it despite doing the same for that woman who punched the guy making a rape joke. CeCe’s successfully defending herself and fucking that neo nazi piece of shit up should be celebrated as an act of resistance and empowerment.

seriously we should hold a fucking party when a neo nazi gets murdered, not try to incarcerate the woman fighting them. where were the misandrists when that guy died?

the op makes a ton of good points.and it reminds me of my friend saying some white woman was talking about carrying a gun and shooting all men who came at her and like how Black women have such less access to carry and own guns safely w/o bullshit (see marissa alexander) and then to even talk about killing men and holding a gun in your purse which might be necessary but is scary b/c police harassment, extra scrutiny etc. and like those people who say those things never have to worry about any of those things and would continue to perpetuate the same old white supremacist agendas because they never even stop to think of those things. and yea, seeing the heat Black women/ non gender conforming people get for speaking out against men and the way they treat them is incredible versus any white misandrist. we get men wishing all kinds of bullshit on us and threatening us and it aint cute, when most of us aint even saying we on that misandry shit.

noted! this is important for me to remember when talking about my anger towards white cis men and misogyny.

I want you to do the following:

• Google ‘MISOGYNY’ and get really real with yourself
• figure out why Google spellchecks ’ cissexism’ and ‘transphobia’ (cissexism and transphobia kills but misandry doesn’t!)
• self reflect on why you’re living the way you are and why you felt like you had to bring that shit to me
• BULLY A MAN or BULLY YOURSELF if you are a man

If you still feel like you need to come to me after that, you haven’t properly completed the tasks set out for you

sinidentidades:

When trying to get with cis men, get close and seductively whisper, “I’m going to cut off your dick tonight.”

They love that shit. 

Remember how you made all these plans to get shit done but you didn’t really check in with yourself about how you were feeling (sad) so instead you did some shit and then spent the rest of the morning/afternoon picking your face, yelling at men and just thinking about masturbating but never really getting around to it?